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and then where the state that successfully challenged doma. so to see that couple today, alex, from north hampton, massachusetts, and so many lawyers, advocates, mary donato, among them, who championed this cause for so long. to see them today and to see the president sign this. and to see, also, alex, a significant move by congress. remember, this is a bipartisan rejection of threats to freedoms and protections that really are in place as a result of the bergerfeld decision, it's an important day and i'm so happy. >> as you should be. i want to talk about who voted for and who voted against it, right. in 1996, the bipartisan support to deny same-sex couples the right to marry, that was bipartisan. i think it was 32 democrats and 53 republicans voted for doma. cut to today, when we're enshrining the right to gay marriage federally, the only people that voted against that were republicans. 37 of them. now, it is bipartisan, but the fact is that the majority of the republican caucus voted against this in the upper chamber. what do you think acco
and then where the state that successfully challenged doma. so to see that couple today, alex, from north hampton, massachusetts, and so many lawyers, advocates, mary donato, among them, who championed this cause for so long. to see them today and to see the president sign this. and to see, also, alex, a significant move by congress. remember, this is a bipartisan rejection of threats to freedoms and protections that really are in place as a result of the bergerfeld decision, it's an important...
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the defense of marriage act, known as doma, -- and allowed states to refuse to recognize any safe sex marriage granted by another state. ever since, it has been as shameful stain on our nations past equality. but in 1996, and a broad such bipartisan support, 89 senators voted in favor, including than joe biden. and it was signed into law by democrat bill clinton. much of what it is about the waited in 2013, when the supreme court struck down part of the law, but it only applied to 13 states. then in 2015, supreme court granted same-sex couples the constitutional right to marry across the nation. but as you may recall, that could be in jeopardy after justice clarence thomas indicated in the dobbs decision, that he would consider rolling back the clock on marriage equality. which is how we got to this historic moment today, with the president of the united states. for the first time in the u.s. history, signing into federal law to protect the marriage rights of same-sex couples. >> today, i find the respect for marriage act into law. in this moment, it is aligned with those who agree wi
the defense of marriage act, known as doma, -- and allowed states to refuse to recognize any safe sex marriage granted by another state. ever since, it has been as shameful stain on our nations past equality. but in 1996, and a broad such bipartisan support, 89 senators voted in favor, including than joe biden. and it was signed into law by democrat bill clinton. much of what it is about the waited in 2013, when the supreme court struck down part of the law, but it only applied to 13 states....
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. >> i was here for the birth of doma. so i am very grateful to be able to be here for the funeral and it's kind of a new orleans moment. we are tooting our horns in the funeral on a much happier occasion than the birth. >> respect for marriage act, which qualifies federal recognition of same sex marriages and formerly repeals dome of has now passed both the senate and the house. it was the right wing supreme courts threat, particularly clarence thomas threats to overturn the case that legalized same sex marriage that prompted lawmakers in both houses to take action. the bill now goes to president joe biden's desk where he will sign it. well, 39 republicans joined democrats in passing the bill. 169 house republicans, the majority of the caucus, voted no. some members of that caucus took to the floor to literally cry about it. >> traditional biblical marriage is the foundation of a strong society, and a strong culture. i will say it once again. almost everything that plagues our society is a failure to follow god's design f
. >> i was here for the birth of doma. so i am very grateful to be able to be here for the funeral and it's kind of a new orleans moment. we are tooting our horns in the funeral on a much happier occasion than the birth. >> respect for marriage act, which qualifies federal recognition of same sex marriages and formerly repeals dome of has now passed both the senate and the house. it was the right wing supreme courts threat, particularly clarence thomas threats to overturn the case...
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. >> well, it is a different situation, because in the doma case, there was a constitutional question where the country was moving in a direction that was inconsistent with the statute, and a huge constitutional values question prevent epresented the nick said the catch phrase, the department has the duty to defend as long as the nonfrivolous argument, buter the arguments are thin, and their duty is clear to enforce the law, defend the law, and doma was a very different type of case. >> you know, maya, it is striking me that one of the things that is happening is that there is all of the focus on the tension between rosenstein and the white house and him pressuring jeff session, and you have jeff sessions over at the doj and sessions is going to work on the doj, and even if he is so far maintaining the integrity of the mueller investigation as far as he can. >> and yes, jeff sessions is on the home team. >> yes. >> and the home team is really about a policy position which is a policy disagreement with the affordable care act. and this is a -- >> right. we don't like it. >> and we don'
. >> well, it is a different situation, because in the doma case, there was a constitutional question where the country was moving in a direction that was inconsistent with the statute, and a huge constitutional values question prevent epresented the nick said the catch phrase, the department has the duty to defend as long as the nonfrivolous argument, buter the arguments are thin, and their duty is clear to enforce the law, defend the law, and doma was a very different type of case....
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even if you fake doma as the closest analog, there was a big public debate about it. there was congressional notice. they defended it in the lower courts. and then they stopped at at pellate level. you were just noticing this happening like this didn't -- it almost seemed like they tried to sneak this past everyone, nick. >> this came out of nowhere. you know, the three line attorneys that withdrew their names from this case, they're civil servants. these are people who have served across administrations. they have defended programs they disagree with. they've made arguments they personally disagree with. but it just goes to show how outlandish this argument truly is. and the aggressiveness with which the trump administration is pressing it. i think there's a temptation on the -- from the critics and the people who invoke doma to normalize this, to say that this is something we've seen before. but that's just not the case. this is new. it is different. >> go ahead. >> the other point i'd like to make here is this is part of a pattern. so this is not a one-off by the t
even if you fake doma as the closest analog, there was a big public debate about it. there was congressional notice. they defended it in the lower courts. and then they stopped at at pellate level. you were just noticing this happening like this didn't -- it almost seemed like they tried to sneak this past everyone, nick. >> this came out of nowhere. you know, the three line attorneys that withdrew their names from this case, they're civil servants. these are people who have served across...
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the doma decision, the decision not to defend doma i made. i thought this was one he can't read about in the newspapers. so on the sunday of the super bowl party i told him this is the decision i made. he said to me, i'm glad pip didn't know how to approach you. this is where i wanted my justice department to be. but i'm glad you made that decision. >> you presented it to him as a fait accompli and he said i wanted to suggest it to you but i didn't think that's appropriate. >> exactly. that's the relationship that should exist between anent. there were a long range of issues i never shared with him. where an indictment was going to be brought and he would read about it in the newspaper the next day. >> when president trump has repeatedly expressed anger toward his attorney general, specifically for having recused himself on matters related to the campaign, including the russia investigation. those expressions of the president to me seem unprecedented because anybody facing investigation expressing regret over somebody not being in a position
the doma decision, the decision not to defend doma i made. i thought this was one he can't read about in the newspapers. so on the sunday of the super bowl party i told him this is the decision i made. he said to me, i'm glad pip didn't know how to approach you. this is where i wanted my justice department to be. but i'm glad you made that decision. >> you presented it to him as a fait accompli and he said i wanted to suggest it to you but i didn't think that's appropriate. >>...
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same act, yes, and in fact, the department of justice has done that in the past, for example, with doma, defense of marriage act, when the deparent tment of justice refused to defend dorksma. i can't speak to that, but that was another example when d oj dd not defend the constitutional y constitutionality. >> the executive order was unconstitutional? >> i wasn't convinced it was unconstitutional. i couldn't in good conscience send department of justice lawyers in to defend it. >> i want to be sure i understand. do you believe it's constitutional or unconstitutional? >> i belved i was n convinced that it was constitutional. i believed that it was unconstitutional in the sense that i -- there was no way in the world i could send folks in there to argue something that we didn't believe to be the truth. >> so you believe it's unconstitutional? >> yes. >> okay. i don't mean to wax two -- >> and if i can say, i can understand why you might be a little frustrated with the language here. >> i'm not frustrated. i'm happy as a clam. >> here's the reason. let me give you a little idea of the timin
same act, yes, and in fact, the department of justice has done that in the past, for example, with doma, defense of marriage act, when the deparent tment of justice refused to defend dorksma. i can't speak to that, but that was another example when d oj dd not defend the constitutional y constitutionality. >> the executive order was unconstitutional? >> i wasn't convinced it was unconstitutional. i couldn't in good conscience send department of justice lawyers in to defend it....
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grant same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot recognize that right. >> in the years after doma, 31 states pass laws or constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. in some cases, states do both. >> to insist that male/male or female/female relationships must have the same status is absurd. >> but proponents of equal rights forge ahead. in 2000, vermont recognizes civil unions and by 2003, same-sex marriage is legalized in massachusetts. >> conservative backlash is fierce and sweeping. >> our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage. >> it's incredible how quickly the issue of same-sex marriage has moved in 2004. >> by 2012, same-sex marriage is legalized in six states and washington, dc. >> watching vice president biden come around on this issue before the president was an incredible moment on a number of levels. >> i am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men and women marrying women and heterosexual men and women are entitled the same exact rights. >> in 2015, in monumental and unambiguous decision, the united states supreme c
grant same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot recognize that right. >> in the years after doma, 31 states pass laws or constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. in some cases, states do both. >> to insist that male/male or female/female relationships must have the same status is absurd. >> but proponents of equal rights forge ahead. in 2000, vermont recognizes civil unions and by 2003, same-sex marriage is legalized in massachusetts. >> conservative...
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doma, as its known, ignites a two-decade legal battle over legal rights. >> it said first of all, if one state declares the right to same-sex marriage, no other statenor that. the second thing it said, if a state decides to grant same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot recognize that right. >> in the years after doma, 31 states pass laws or constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. in some cases, states do both. >> to insist that male-male or female-female relationships must have the same status is patently absurd. >> but opponents of equal rights forge ahead. in 2000, vermont recognizes civil unions. and by 2003, same-sex marriage is legalized in massachusetts. conservative backlash is fierce and sweeping. >> our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in america. >> it's been pretty incredible how quickly the issue of same-sex marriage has moved in 2004. >> by 2012, same-sex marriage is legalized in six states and washington, d.c. >> watching vice president biden come around on this issue before the president was an incredible moment on a
doma, as its known, ignites a two-decade legal battle over legal rights. >> it said first of all, if one state declares the right to same-sex marriage, no other statenor that. the second thing it said, if a state decides to grant same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot recognize that right. >> in the years after doma, 31 states pass laws or constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. in some cases, states do both. >> to insist that male-male or female-female...
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doma, as it's known, ignites a two decade battle over equal rights. >> it said if one state declares the right to same-sex marriage, no other state has to honor that and the second thing is if a state decides to grant same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot recognize that right. >> in the years after doma, 31 state says passed laws or constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. in some cases, states do both. >> to insist that male/male, or female/female relationships must have the same status is absurd. >> but proponents of equal rights forge ahead. in 2000, vermont recognizes same-sex, and massachusetts. conservative backlash is fierce and sweeping. >> our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in america. >> it's been pretty incredible how quickly the issue of same-sex marriage has moved in 2004. >> by 2012, same-sex marriage is legalized in six states and washington, dc. >> watching vice president biden come around on this issue before the president was an incredible moment on a number of levels. >> i am absolutely comfortable with the fa
doma, as it's known, ignites a two decade battle over equal rights. >> it said if one state declares the right to same-sex marriage, no other state has to honor that and the second thing is if a state decides to grant same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot recognize that right. >> in the years after doma, 31 state says passed laws or constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage. in some cases, states do both. >> to insist that male/male, or female/female...
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back on my voting record, you know, secretary clinton, i don't mean to be overly partisan supported doma in 1996, the defense of marriage act, which i think she's apologized for. it was homophobic piece of legislation. back then it was not easy. i voted against that piece of legislation. [ applause ] back in the early 19 the -- 1990s when corporate america was pushing disastrous trade agreements after trade relations with china, i didn't vote for any of them. i helped lead the opposition. i'm not saying, i'm not saying by any means of thousands of votes i did not cast bad votes. i did. i will say that time and time again i took on issues and voted -- cast votes unpopular at the time but turned out years later, whether it's the vote against the war in iraq, vote against trade agreements, voting against doma, voting against the first gulf war. those are votes that i cast. they were not popular votes. those are the votes i cast and i'm proud of casting those votes. >> we'll be back with much more and questions from the national contusion center in just a bit. don't go anywhere. we needed 30
back on my voting record, you know, secretary clinton, i don't mean to be overly partisan supported doma in 1996, the defense of marriage act, which i think she's apologized for. it was homophobic piece of legislation. back then it was not easy. i voted against that piece of legislation. [ applause ] back in the early 19 the -- 1990s when corporate america was pushing disastrous trade agreements after trade relations with china, i didn't vote for any of them. i helped lead the opposition. i'm...
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clearly recognizing the stakes are higher, talking about issues of trade, but doma, calling that homophobic legislation. you can say he's getting a little hoarse. we've flown across the country with him. if he completes this tour as it's currently plan it will be 11 states over the course of 7 days. that's a pretty intense travel schedule for someone who's 74 years old. as an added bit of color as well. i'm sure you've been here in texas, he was serenaded at the end of this event in austin, by a band that included the daughter of willie nelson and granddaughter of woody guthrie singing "this land is your land." >> that has to be good luck for something. i don't know if he pulls out a win in texas, but it gives me some love. let me play a little bit of what senator sanders said today. at the formula one track here. the crowd is assembled to see him. let's play it guys. >>> believe that not only can we win this democratic nominating process, but we can defeat trump and defeat him soundly. we will defeat trump, because the american people do not believe as trump does, that we should be giving
clearly recognizing the stakes are higher, talking about issues of trade, but doma, calling that homophobic legislation. you can say he's getting a little hoarse. we've flown across the country with him. if he completes this tour as it's currently plan it will be 11 states over the course of 7 days. that's a pretty intense travel schedule for someone who's 74 years old. as an added bit of color as well. i'm sure you've been here in texas, he was serenaded at the end of this event in austin, by...
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it is great to be for gray righs after you insult the entire gay community by supporting doma. it is great to finally, kicking and screaming, come out against the tpp, but where were you on all of the other trade agreements? >> it's go-time for both parties, with candidates hoping their final pitches deliver a win. joining me right now is the "hardball" roundtable. tonight, michelle bernard, jonathan allen author of "hrc," about hillary, and molly hemingway is the senior editor of "the federalist." john, i have the sense it's a nascar race and bernie is just now passing hillary in iowa, right there. but somebody told he me needs an extra bit of juice. so he's doing this negative ad. it's not going to make him look good. negative ads don't make you look good, but they do sometimes get you that thing you need the last weekend. >> i think there's two things at work here. number one, he knows he needs to make a contrast and say, i'm different enough about hillary clinton that you should care about the differences between us. number two, he's signaling to democrats that he should ta
it is great to be for gray righs after you insult the entire gay community by supporting doma. it is great to finally, kicking and screaming, come out against the tpp, but where were you on all of the other trade agreements? >> it's go-time for both parties, with candidates hoping their final pitches deliver a win. joining me right now is the "hardball" roundtable. tonight, michelle bernard, jonathan allen author of "hrc," about hillary, and molly hemingway is the...
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at reallies, he talks about how she switched her position on doma or on trade. he basically is insinuating she's doing it because it's politically convenient. the question is, how far is he willing to go to try to lockup these iowa caucuses. >> well, staying with you for a second, is he going for a knockout? i mean, it looks like he's moving ahead of her in iowa from back here in washington. if he's moving ahead, why he is taking the risk of looking like -- she doesn't want to be seen as. a negative politician. why would he take a risk, unless he wants to make sure he wins out in iowa and then he makes sure he wins in places like nevada, because he can knock her out. that what he seems to making the risk toward. >> the other thing going on too is he is sending mailers to people in iowa that have logos for the aarp and the league of conservation voters displayed on the mailers. it doesn't say he has gotten endorsements from these groups. they've endorsed hillary clinton and asked the sanders campaign to take the logo off of the mailers. so i mean, clearly, there
at reallies, he talks about how she switched her position on doma or on trade. he basically is insinuating she's doing it because it's politically convenient. the question is, how far is he willing to go to try to lockup these iowa caucuses. >> well, staying with you for a second, is he going for a knockout? i mean, it looks like he's moving ahead of her in iowa from back here in washington. if he's moving ahead, why he is taking the risk of looking like -- she doesn't want to be seen as....
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it is great to be for gay rights after you insult the entire gay community by supporting doma. it is great to finally kicking and screaming come out against the tpp, but where were you on all of the other trade agreements? what all of this is about, what it's about, is that what leadership means is not simply following the majority. >> everything she ever touched she made better. and so next time you hear somebody say she's part of the establishment, and planned parenthood and human rights campaign fund are, too, because they support her because of what she's done, you ought to think about that. you ought to think about how she was the only candidate running to went to wall street before the crash. >> reporter: and together a sense of just how close this race is, josÉ, let's take a look at the past five polls. three of them show secretary clinton with a small lead, two of them show senator bernie sanders with a small lead. so ultimately on monday this is all going to come down to turnout. i have visited the campaign head quarters of both campaigns, they are in high gear trying
it is great to be for gay rights after you insult the entire gay community by supporting doma. it is great to finally kicking and screaming come out against the tpp, but where were you on all of the other trade agreements? what all of this is about, what it's about, is that what leadership means is not simply following the majority. >> everything she ever touched she made better. and so next time you hear somebody say she's part of the establishment, and planned parenthood and human...
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doma was anything from a shield, far from a shield. it was legislative discrimination against gay americans in this country, period. and it shielded anything, in fact, it institutionalized that discrimination at a federal level. the fact we have grown from that, changed from that is a positive to the american people and to everybody involved. the fact that bernie sanders was one of very few people during that time that stood up and voted no against doma is also fact and is also history you can verify. >> congressman, thanks for being here. appreciate it, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >>> coming up next, the new book on the notorious r.b.g. plaque psoriasis... ...isn't it time to let the... ...real you shine... ...through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw 75% clearer skin after 4 months. and otezla's prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't take otezla if you are allergic to any
doma was anything from a shield, far from a shield. it was legislative discrimination against gay americans in this country, period. and it shielded anything, in fact, it institutionalized that discrimination at a federal level. the fact we have grown from that, changed from that is a positive to the american people and to everybody involved. the fact that bernie sanders was one of very few people during that time that stood up and voted no against doma is also fact and is also history you can...
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it was called the defense of marriage act, doma. brought forth, brought forth by a republican-led congress, and its purpose was clear -- to discriminate against gays and lesbians into the law. and let us all remember, the gay and lesbian rights were not popular then as they are today. its with a tough vote. and i'm sorry to have to tell you that that bill won by an overwhelming majority in the house of 342-57. that was not a political easy vote. now, today some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters, and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> senator bernie sanders speaking this weekend in iowa. and tonight he's here live for the interview. senator sanders, thank you so much for being here. it's really nice to see you back. >> great to be with you, rachel. >> so you have been remarkably consistent in your policy positions over the years. also you
it was called the defense of marriage act, doma. brought forth, brought forth by a republican-led congress, and its purpose was clear -- to discriminate against gays and lesbians into the law. and let us all remember, the gay and lesbian rights were not popular then as they are today. its with a tough vote. and i'm sorry to have to tell you that that bill won by an overwhelming majority in the house of 342-57. that was not a political easy vote. now, today some are trying to rewrite history by...
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but bernie sanders did have some points to make, particularly on doma. because of rachel maddow's interview on doma when hillary clinton said to rachel, that the reason why bill clinton supported the defense of marriage act was a defense against an even worse contingency which was the possibility, the likelihood, according to hillary clinton's retelling of history, that there would have been a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. so he took a least worst option and in 1996, supported the defense of marriage act. well, that, bernie sanders argued is not true. and it's been pointed out by a number of fact checkers today and yesterday. hillary rosen, who was there then, tweeted to her friends, bill and hillary, saying that's not what happened, i was there. don't continue saying this. bottom line is, that it was politically advantageous. he was running for re-election. bob dole was in favor of the defense of marriage act, and like several other of the issues that were supported then, you know, by morris, who was helping him in his re-election c
but bernie sanders did have some points to make, particularly on doma. because of rachel maddow's interview on doma when hillary clinton said to rachel, that the reason why bill clinton supported the defense of marriage act was a defense against an even worse contingency which was the possibility, the likelihood, according to hillary clinton's retelling of history, that there would have been a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. so he took a least worst option and in 1996,...
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her explanation of why she was supportive of doma, doesn't really jibe with the history of it. she seemed to present it as sort of a barrier to prevent worse laws in terms of gay rights being passed. certainly the way it was covered at the time was that it was put in place because president clinton needed to move to the center. p p presenting the congressional democrats as liberals and position him for the 1996 re-election race. so all candidates rewrite history to some extent for their own benefit. this is a little more extensive rewriting if you believe the way it was covered at the time and the way that doma fight is remembered. >> she was suggesting that it was sort of a lesser of all evils. >> correct. and that's just not -- again, maybe that was bill clinton's intent that he didn't share with anyone, but that's not how the history has recorded why he did that. >> chris, thanks so much. >> thanks, kate. >>> let's move over to capitol hill now. new developments there, house republicans are scheduled to meet tonight at 6:00 p.m. to discuss a series of deadlines before john b
her explanation of why she was supportive of doma, doesn't really jibe with the history of it. she seemed to present it as sort of a barrier to prevent worse laws in terms of gay rights being passed. certainly the way it was covered at the time was that it was put in place because president clinton needed to move to the center. p p presenting the congressional democrats as liberals and position him for the 1996 re-election race. so all candidates rewrite history to some extent for their own...
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but they were, and so in a lot of ways, doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action? >> it was a defensive action. >> now today, some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> susan and chris, you were both covering at the time. susan, first to you. clearly, when bill clinton for the '96 campaign was triangu lating and moving to the center, this had nothing to do with defending a constitutional amendment. >> it was politically helpful for him at the time to sign the defense of marriage act. i think bernie sanders is able to make a pretty strong case that on a series of issues, he was in a certain position from the very start. his instincts took him some place. hillary clinton has switched to this position on trade, on the defense of marriage act, on gay marriage, on some other issues. mostly in this campaign. an
but they were, and so in a lot of ways, doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action? >> it was a defensive action. >> now today, some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> susan and chris,...
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. >> in a lot of ways, doma was a line that was drawn to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action? >> it was a defensive action. >> now today some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters, and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> so bob, doma, defense of marriage act,...
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rational argument because i was in on some of those discussions on both don't ask/don't tell and on doma, where the president, his advisers and occasionally i would chime in and talk about you can't be serious, you can't be serious. but they were. so in a lot of ways doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action. >> it was a defensive action. the culture rapidly changed so that now what was totally anathema to political forces they have ceded. they no longer are fighting except on a local level and a rear guard action. and with the u.s. supreme court decision it's settled. don't ask/don't tell is something that, you know, bill promised during the '92 campaign to let gays serve openly in the military. and it's what he intended to do. oh, my gosh, it was the most astonishing overreaction, but -- by the military, by the congress. i remember being, you know, on the edge of one of those conversations. and so don't ask/don't tell again became a defensive line. so i'm not in any way excusing them. i'm explaining them. and the same with the crime
rational argument because i was in on some of those discussions on both don't ask/don't tell and on doma, where the president, his advisers and occasionally i would chime in and talk about you can't be serious, you can't be serious. but they were. so in a lot of ways doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action. >> it was a defensive action. the culture rapidly changed so that now what was totally anathema to political forces they...
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, not enforcing doma, immigration. using the pen as a cell phone. no problem rushing to the podium and the microphone and chanting about that and causing all kinds of disturb bns and here they're not saying a word. they don't want to be on record. that's the problem. >> i wish we had more time to hear how that law as you're saying would be worded how they would get started. wish we had more time. hogan, thank you very much. >> sure. god bless. >>> more than three months since caitlyn jenner made the public debut and in the time since she's received both praise and criticism. recently jenner hit the links with nbc's matt lauer in an exclusive two-part interview on the "today" show and including the manslaughter charges that could land her behind bars. >> even as you've been going through transition, dealing with something else. back in february you were involved in a traffic accident. >> right. >> that resulted in a woman dying. >> uh-huh. >> what do you remember about the accident? >> very little. i remember it happeni
, not enforcing doma, immigration. using the pen as a cell phone. no problem rushing to the podium and the microphone and chanting about that and causing all kinds of disturb bns and here they're not saying a word. they don't want to be on record. that's the problem. >> i wish we had more time to hear how that law as you're saying would be worded how they would get started. wish we had more time. hogan, thank you very much. >> sure. god bless. >>> more than three months...
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11:00 hour he talked about the fact that you know through his administration they've done away with doma and don't ask, don't tell. you know the clinton administration historically instituted don't ask, don't tell and everybody thought that was a major step forward. and could you imagine a day of sitting here like we are now knowing that dom doesn't exist, neither does don't ask, don't tell and the supreme court is affirming marriage equality constitutional right coast to coast? >> i think you're exactly right. it's not only been a historic morning but it's been a very moving one, especially for those of us who have been involved in this effort nor a long time. i thought president obama's remarks were very moving and very appropriate for the leader of our country to come forward and say how proud he was of the country, how proud people who have been involved in this you know, need to be. it's also quite remarkable. you know very rarely do we have a decision from any court, even the supreme court, where all of a sudden, you know, the moment the decision comes down the lives of so many ame
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force of nature but in her 80s, who is historic in her capacity of taking on the united states and doma. and now cooper is in the history books for families to make sure that they're protected and that they're recognized and that they have the dignity and integrity that they deserve. >> that's what it's all about. it's about the young people. they have to know who they are, they have to know who their families are, and cooper since he's started to understand things, never knew inequality. hundreds you mentioned earlier, even windsor, there have been hundreds who fought this fight long before we got involved. for us right now, we're so proud of our son. we're so proud that our son will have us both listed on his birth certificate. it's an amazing day. i'm surprised i'm not crying because your staff told us we won, and all i had to hear was the words we won. the emotion just continued to roll. >> were you prepared for it to go the other way? did you, in your heart, or did you take any mental preparation to think, you know what it might go the other way, and we might be dealt a defeat? >>
force of nature but in her 80s, who is historic in her capacity of taking on the united states and doma. and now cooper is in the history books for families to make sure that they're protected and that they're recognized and that they have the dignity and integrity that they deserve. >> that's what it's all about. it's about the young people. they have to know who they are, they have to know who their families are, and cooper since he's started to understand things, never knew inequality....
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. >> doma defined marriage as only between a man and woman. the court's ruling invalidated the 1996 federal law. then california's proposition 8, the court dismissed the suit allowing lower court rulings that overturned prop 8 to stand. >> united states supreme court many two important decisions brings us that much closer to true equality. >> plaintiffs congratulated by none other than the president himself. >> i think i see chad griffin from the hrc on the telephone with i believe president obama. chad is right there. >> the suspect on the line. president obama. go ahead. >> hello mr. president this is chris perry. >> and sandy stewart. we thank you for your support. >> we're proud of you guys and so glad. >> the decision set off a chain reaction. before prop 8 and doma a dozen states plus d.c. had marriage equality the. that number now tripled. and with jim's case from ohio the court could make it law of the land. >> he was the love of my life. he was the person i committed to and would do anything for. we were watching the news waiting for
. >> doma defined marriage as only between a man and woman. the court's ruling invalidated the 1996 federal law. then california's proposition 8, the court dismissed the suit allowing lower court rulings that overturned prop 8 to stand. >> united states supreme court many two important decisions brings us that much closer to true equality. >> plaintiffs congratulated by none other than the president himself. >> i think i see chad griffin from the hrc on the telephone...
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i think there's a part of us that for real doma lives in the clinton white house. it is president obama saying i have evolved on this issue. in both cases, it has to do with the presumption about republican voters. so in this case, you have to get the republican voters in the primary. clinton and president obama, we have to get the republican voters in the general election. had everybody miscalculated about bigoted republican voters are? i'm serious, i wonder if the fact they are underestimating their own voters at this point. >> i sure hope so because we saw in 2004 when marriage equality was on the ballot, people came out to vote against it. i think this is going to be for voters in. the general election a non-issue because people are past the idea that this is something that discrimination is okay. but we need to see the politicians saying that and the legislators enacting laws that do the same thing that i believe the people want. >> you know who is not past it? cardinal dolan. >> they were saying wait a minute without questioning the rights of the gay communit
i think there's a part of us that for real doma lives in the clinton white house. it is president obama saying i have evolved on this issue. in both cases, it has to do with the presumption about republican voters. so in this case, you have to get the republican voters in the primary. clinton and president obama, we have to get the republican voters in the general election. had everybody miscalculated about bigoted republican voters are? i'm serious, i wonder if the fact they are...
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and robbie kaplan who we introduced as the doma slayer. pete, explain the legal standards. does the current federal ruling appear to compel these federal probate judges or just allow them to issue the marriage licenses? >> the latest wrinkle is there will be a hearing tomorrow on that very question. this is the summons that's been issued. look closely at it. it's directed to one of the probate judges in mobile county. it says a lawsuit has been filed against you. so this is the latest tactic that the lawyers for the same-sex couples are using to try to settle this question. here is the legal point. the judge herself, who ordered the state to stop its ban on same-sex marriage the judge herself said in a clarifying ruling, it's true my ruling does not directly compel the probate judges to do anything. they're in the judicial branch. her ruling was addressed to the executive branch specifically the attorney general. the point being, however, is that while ray moore, the alabama supreme court justice that you're looking at there, while he's told these probate judges they must o
and robbie kaplan who we introduced as the doma slayer. pete, explain the legal standards. does the current federal ruling appear to compel these federal probate judges or just allow them to issue the marriage licenses? >> the latest wrinkle is there will be a hearing tomorrow on that very question. this is the summons that's been issued. look closely at it. it's directed to one of the probate judges in mobile county. it says a lawsuit has been filed against you. so this is the latest...
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hadn't stopped defending doma up against cord challenge, if he hadn't done don't ask/don't tell. the problem i had with the president after vice president biden put the president in a box, was that you had the president's actions which are highly pro-gay rights term for politicians which is rolling disclosure. they tell you the truth when they feel like that. >> they tell you the truth when it's convenient, easy, or safe to their that with you. i think joe biden forced the hand on this issue, but at the end of the day i think they understood that this president was saying one thing to one group. >> remember fdr who most people look up to dramatically, they're telling people your sons will not fight in the foreign war through the 1940 election knowing all the time he was hoping to get us involved in europe. he wanted to fight the nazis and everyone knew it. >> what we saw with the president on marriage equality, we saw him bringing the country along, he did the same thing on don't ask don't tell. i'm going to can have a ban on gays serving in the military. he tries to fulfill his
hadn't stopped defending doma up against cord challenge, if he hadn't done don't ask/don't tell. the problem i had with the president after vice president biden put the president in a box, was that you had the president's actions which are highly pro-gay rights term for politicians which is rolling disclosure. they tell you the truth when they feel like that. >> they tell you the truth when it's convenient, easy, or safe to their that with you. i think joe biden forced the hand on this...
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as justice kennedy said, in the doma decision these children are humiliated by laws like this. but their voices are asking the court to protect them. and that's the role of the courts. the courts are there to protect the rights of minorities and our constitutional system. >> what would happen if the court, if you're wrong on this, and the court ends up saying no and we're going to strike down gay marriage 36 states all of the people who have gotten married in the last few years, what would happen there? would there be a basis for another legal challenge? the couple saying we had the right and now it's taken away. is that a separate legal mat center. >> absolutely. first i think it's unlikely that the court would uphold the laws that are at issue, in the four cases from michigan ohio tennessee and kentucky. but even if they did, if a right is granted and then it's taken away, as we argued in the proposition 8 case, that allow is a constitutional violation. >> all right. my thanks. we'll keep a close eye on this story story. a big decision coming down this morning. >>> and turnin
as justice kennedy said, in the doma decision these children are humiliated by laws like this. but their voices are asking the court to protect them. and that's the role of the courts. the courts are there to protect the rights of minorities and our constitutional system. >> what would happen if the court, if you're wrong on this, and the court ends up saying no and we're going to strike down gay marriage 36 states all of the people who have gotten married in the last few years, what...
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any of that been the subject of an actual case that could make it to the supreme court and overturn doma overall? >> you know, that's such an interesting point because the conservative argument against same-sex marriage has rested in these ridiculous arguments about kids and family and harm. the reality is, there are 2 million children being raised by lgbt couples. when bobby jindal goes off at the mouth, what he's sig is he doesn't care about the livelihood of those 2 million children whose parents need to have legal ties and relationships to them. i think that gets back to my previous point blt fact we have all of these antiquated family policies on the books but for cohabitating couples, too. >> everybody wants to be celebrating this news today as celebrating this news today as good news but it well, did you know certain cartoon characters should never have an energy drink? action! blah-becht-blah- blublublub-blah!!! geico®. introducing the birds of america collection. fifty stunning, hand-painted plates, commemorating the state birds of our proud nation. blah-becht-blah- blublublub-
any of that been the subject of an actual case that could make it to the supreme court and overturn doma overall? >> you know, that's such an interesting point because the conservative argument against same-sex marriage has rested in these ridiculous arguments about kids and family and harm. the reality is, there are 2 million children being raised by lgbt couples. when bobby jindal goes off at the mouth, what he's sig is he doesn't care about the livelihood of those 2 million children...
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two terms ago when it struck down the federal defense of marriage act or doma. monday the justices reviewed seven cases challenging marriage bans in five states. virginia, indiana, wisconsin, utah and oklahoma. the push for marriage equality has gained momentum since the court struck down doma. there have been 40 victories for same sex marriage at state federal and appellate courts. a tennessee state court and louisiana federal court, judges have upheld marriage bans. advocates want the high court to decide the issuance and for all. this week, the group, freedom to marry, started running a natural ad campaign with this tag line. it's time. but will the high court step in. given the fact appellate courts have decided in favor of gay marriage proponents? this month, justice ginsburg suggested cases pending before the sixth circuit in cincinnati might play a role in the court's timing. >> if that court should disagree with the others, then there would be some urgency in the court taking the case. but when all of the courts of appeal appeals are in agreement, there'
two terms ago when it struck down the federal defense of marriage act or doma. monday the justices reviewed seven cases challenging marriage bans in five states. virginia, indiana, wisconsin, utah and oklahoma. the push for marriage equality has gained momentum since the court struck down doma. there have been 40 victories for same sex marriage at state federal and appellate courts. a tennessee state court and louisiana federal court, judges have upheld marriage bans. advocates want the high...
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the defense of marriage act known as doma. >> doma is dead! >> i lived three miles from the serpian court and here i was a professional athlete playing for the hometown team and i was kwai pept and the -- quiet. and these cases had aan effect n my life and i was quiet. it was frustrated. i reached a point in my private life where my family and friends knew and loved and supported me. i wanted to be the one that controlled my story. >> the weight of the moment, nearly too much to handle. >> for mike to kiss his boyfriend, you know, when that moment happened. you know, that's a great moment for him to share with his loved ones. if someone else has an issue. that's on them. i was glad it was captured on television. >> one day it won't matter at all. that's the day i'm waiting for. >> when they see you're proud of who you are, thaw r they're going to be like okay. there's a respect factor. when you see someone who's proud of who they are, you respect that. >> until that day comes, we'll keep fighting. but every time a new person comes out, it's le
the defense of marriage act known as doma. >> doma is dead! >> i lived three miles from the serpian court and here i was a professional athlete playing for the hometown team and i was kwai pept and the -- quiet. and these cases had aan effect n my life and i was quiet. it was frustrated. i reached a point in my private life where my family and friends knew and loved and supported me. i wanted to be the one that controlled my story. >> the weight of the moment, nearly too much...
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president decided not to defend anymore because they deemed it -- he and the attorney general decided doma was unconstitutional. because it was an act of congress, if i'm reading what professor tribe said to me today, if i'm reading that right are, congress had standing because it was an act of congress they were trying to defend. from what i have read from the little bit i have been able to read because this is breaking news within the last 15, 20 minutes. what i have been able to read is what speaker boehner is using as his example of presidential overreach. >> not able to establish standing. he's using that in order to establish standing. >> it's an act of congress. >> right. the question is whether there is standing and it has been called a stunt. >> mm-hmm. >> let's bring in karen finney. quote, in interviews with a half dozen house kentuckyconservativ was nearly universal support for suing obama for what they see as executive overreach. this is politico. they are chomping at the bit for a lawsuit. at what point, if ever will they realize it's not a political winner for them? >> i don
president decided not to defend anymore because they deemed it -- he and the attorney general decided doma was unconstitutional. because it was an act of congress, if i'm reading what professor tribe said to me today, if i'm reading that right are, congress had standing because it was an act of congress they were trying to defend. from what i have read from the little bit i have been able to read because this is breaking news within the last 15, 20 minutes. what i have been able to read is what...
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to protect doma. the house spent $2.4 million and failed. they are trying to do it again here. but i think when the house sues and that's the best that they can do and the best is for the white house is that they are going to get sued. >> it's a sad state of affairs. >> it's a sad state of affairs, indeed. >> if at first you don't succeed, try again. try again. alex, have a happy fourth. >>> up next, just in time for the fourth, bring on the hot dogs. actually, bring out the hot dogs. our intern melissa is going to join us to talk about one of america's favorite foods, next. the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪ during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month and make this the summer of style. ♪ hi, credit report site andour i have a problem. i need to speak with your fraud resolution department. ugh, we don't have that. what should i tell him? just make that super annoying modem noise... (shuuuuuuuh....zzzzzzzz...de ee...dong...shuuuhh...) hello? not a
to protect doma. the house spent $2.4 million and failed. they are trying to do it again here. but i think when the house sues and that's the best that they can do and the best is for the white house is that they are going to get sued. >> it's a sad state of affairs. >> it's a sad state of affairs, indeed. >> if at first you don't succeed, try again. try again. alex, have a happy fourth. >>> up next, just in time for the fourth, bring on the hot dogs. actually, bring...
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the time, and he made that very controversial decision within his own department to cease defending doma of course. >> how did that fight go? >> well, the chief justice of the united states was not defending the law and not only not defending it, but aggressively arguing that it was not constitutional and what is unusual about that is that the justice department typically defends the laws passed by congress whether you like them or not, but in the case, he said that as he considered the path forward on this, he kept thinking about the past, and eric holderer, the first african-american attorney general said he could not prevent himself from comparing this fight to the fight of the civil rights in the previous era. >> and since that time, no chief justice has upheld the bans and moved on the ir circuit courts and how big of a lift will they have in some of the fairly conservative circuits though. and what do you see going forward in the next year? >> well, the cases on the fastest track are the 4th and the 10th circuit and both pretty conservati conservative. you have a virginia case file
the time, and he made that very controversial decision within his own department to cease defending doma of course. >> how did that fight go? >> well, the chief justice of the united states was not defending the law and not only not defending it, but aggressively arguing that it was not constitutional and what is unusual about that is that the justice department typically defends the laws passed by congress whether you like them or not, but in the case, he said that as he considered...
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now, last year, of course, the supreme court ruled doma unconstitutional. how can they justify that hypocrisy? >> as you know, ed, whenever you don't know what to say, you do one of two things. if you like what's going on, you say i don't want to be an activist judge, i don't want to have an activist court. then, of course, if you like what's going on or don't, you are a strict constructionist or an originalist. you know what what's interesting about this is they say fit's not in the constitution, this is scalia now, if it's not in the constitution, it doesn't make any sense. do you see anything in the constitution about the air force? i don't either. is the doma in the constitution in if you use that way of thinking nothing will be enforced. frankly with all ott problems the fractionalized gop is looking at right now, gay conversion therapy and this ad hoc, imagine toir lsd version of the constitution, they're not helping. >> so now, we need to remember texas was talking about seceding from the union some time ago. it's pollys like this that they actually
now, last year, of course, the supreme court ruled doma unconstitutional. how can they justify that hypocrisy? >> as you know, ed, whenever you don't know what to say, you do one of two things. if you like what's going on, you say i don't want to be an activist judge, i don't want to have an activist court. then, of course, if you like what's going on or don't, you are a strict constructionist or an originalist. you know what what's interesting about this is they say fit's not in the...
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>> i think it's the language in justice kennedy's doma opinion. i think that was very important. and i think the justices and judges across the land, whether they're in a federal court, whether they're in an appellate court, they understand that this is the law. this isn't about whether you're republican or democrat. this is about being an american. and they're interpreting the law as every person in this country deserves the same rights, whether they're gay, straight, bisexual or transgender, everybody deserves those same rights. what's happening now is you're seeing states you never would have expected coming along with arkansas and texas and utah -- states like that. that underscores that, yeah, you might get the coast but you're never getting the flyover states. now we're getting the flayovyov states. >> orrin hatch said, anybody who does not believe that gay marriage is going to be the law of the land just hasn't been observing what's going on. he's not just lit igatory. >> the film documents this legal strategy to make sure that prop 8 never p has again. but the fact of the
>> i think it's the language in justice kennedy's doma opinion. i think that was very important. and i think the justices and judges across the land, whether they're in a federal court, whether they're in an appellate court, they understand that this is the law. this isn't about whether you're republican or democrat. this is about being an american. and they're interpreting the law as every person in this country deserves the same rights, whether they're gay, straight, bisexual or...
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has been forced to recognize another state's same-sex marriages in the wake of the supreme court's doma decision, united states v. windsor. what role did justice scalia have in all of this? back in february, we ran a report about how scalia's own snarky dissent on that doma case was being cited by judges and turned around against him. in a 26-page rant, scalia took a knife to that logic, even writing a fake ruling, showing how easily the majority opinion would be used to strike down bans across the country. >> in his dissent, he takes part of the majority opinion and says, hey, guys, this is how you take the majority opinion, cross out a few words, and what you end up with is the identical argument to strike down every ban. >> yes, we now know scalia was right, and he was so right that his vitriolic but prescient dissent has been used by five federal judges to expand gay rights. >> but it's not just five anymore. that number is now nine judges having cited a scalia dissent to expand gay rights. and here's the funny thing. yesterday's idaho decision doesn't even cite the same scalia lang
has been forced to recognize another state's same-sex marriages in the wake of the supreme court's doma decision, united states v. windsor. what role did justice scalia have in all of this? back in february, we ran a report about how scalia's own snarky dissent on that doma case was being cited by judges and turned around against him. in a 26-page rant, scalia took a knife to that logic, even writing a fake ruling, showing how easily the majority opinion would be used to strike down bans across...
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argument i haven't seen anywhere else before, you claim that the argument in the successful overturning of doma, the windsor case, was actually influenced by the failed case in the prop 8 fight. i talked to a lot of people involved in both of these cases involved in the drafting of the windsor briefs, who really took issue with that characterization. they said, actually the reasoning in the two cases was very different, but the olson case laid out a very different logic on olson's side. in fact, the reasoning in the windsor case came from the windsor briefs. how do you respond to that? >> robby caplan is a wonderful lawyer. i talk about her in the book, her and edie. they were in the case, asking for a limited -- you know, it was a limited decision. it was a decision to say, you don't have to recognize -- you don't have to overturn bans across the nation. but you do have to recognize legally married couples and give them federal benefits. of course, olson and the perry case was asking for much more. they wanted a 50-state ruling which would allow gays and lesbians to marry. i talk a lot about t
argument i haven't seen anywhere else before, you claim that the argument in the successful overturning of doma, the windsor case, was actually influenced by the failed case in the prop 8 fight. i talked to a lot of people involved in both of these cases involved in the drafting of the windsor briefs, who really took issue with that characterization. they said, actually the reasoning in the two cases was very different, but the olson case laid out a very different logic on olson's side. in...